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It's All about the Funk Doctor (Podcast)

Dr. Josh Funk recently joined Dr. Dy'Mire Jones, PT, DPT, CF-L1 on the High Impact Health Podcast! Click the link to listen or check out the transcript below!

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Episode #18 - It's All About The Funk Doctor With Dr. Josh F

 

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Hi everybody, Dr. Dy'MireJones here, physical therapy and fitness coach and I want to thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope that you enjoy it. As every episode, we try to bring you high impact content that is very valuable to your knowledge and to help push fitness, health and wellness forward. So, tune into the episode, let me know what you think afterwards and if you want to check out any other content, head over to www.highimpactpt.com/podcast, again www.highimpact.pt.com/podcast and check out even more podcast from there. Thank you, enjoy the episode.

 

Jones: Hi everybody, welcome back to another episode of the High Impact Health Podcast with your host, Dr. Dy'Mire Jones, physical therapist and fitness coach. And today we have an awesome, awesome PT and practice owner. I mean, man, I definitely admire this guy from afar, had one of his other colleagues on here earlier on the podcast and this guy is simply amazing man. He's a CEO, founder of Rehab2Perform, physical therapist. He's on some cool little VIP list that he has that basically means he's under 40 doing big things and he's a Lululemon ambassador and he likes to travel the world, which I appreciate that. As well, I have Dr. Josh Funk on here with the best last name on the podcast for sure.

 

Funk: What's up, everyone, I'm just happy to be here. And as for nicknames go, I'm sure we could come up with a laundry list of them and I would guess that I've heard at least all if not most of them, right?

 

Jones: No, for sure. Yeah man, I absolutely love the last name as a person who does not have a super, super fun last name, just regular Jones. I can appreciate someone that every time they can call you Dr. Funk man is definitely an enjoyable moment for them.

 

Funk: Yeah, man. My actual aim screen name and my Snapchat name for a little while was Funk Doctor. So, I got that nickname at a camp growing up and it kind of stuck.

 

Jones: All right, Josh, I’ll keep teasing you and actually become one. So, I mean, that's cool, man.

 

Funk: Exactly.

 

Jones: For those that don't know, your background, go ahead and tell us a little bit about your background and we'll go on from there.

 

Funk: Yeah, I think for me, I would start with just kind of upbringing, me and four siblings. Very, very active family, very competitive family, very talkative family. So, physical activities are really, really just a big part of our culture. And when I was playing college lacrosse at Ohio State, I got hurt and fortunately, I was able to avoid surgery. So, physical therapy allowed me to continue doing the things that I love and to really continue to just have physical activity as a part of my regular daily life without missing games, without missing practices. I learned a lot about what the human body could do at a very early age despite physical changes to things like a labrum and rotator cuff and eventually entered the PT world. Never really saw anything that really gravitated to me in the area where I grew up with regards to how I thought PT should look. And about three years into it, I started Rehab2Perform at the end of 2014. And overall, we just created what I feel like there's something pretty special, have a lot of really, really good people as a part of our team, very, very community facing business. And we are emphasizing body competency and improving people's capacity as the main focus of physical therapy. Other than that, like you mentioned, obviously, some personal accolades come as a byproduct of some of the things you're trying to do from a community connectivity standpoint. But overall, I've just enjoyed shifting my role to being less of the really, really good clinician, which I was trying to do a good job of that early in my career. Not to say that that's not a focus of mine, but recognizing I have a lot more people to take care of, at this point, recognizing I have some people that do things much better than me, and just drifting my role to accommodate to our team dynamic.

 

Jones: Yeah, no, I absolutely it. As a person who's trying to build up a practice as well, as the person who's trying to manage multiple people, I can definitely commend you on that. And I'll tell you as many times as I can during this podcast, thank you for taking the time out in order to do it. So yeah, so let's talk about a little bit about Rehab2Perform because I absolutely love the model, I absolutely love everything that you all are going on over there. You mentioned Jared right before we hopped on and I mean, just the whole team out there is doing some really amazing things. What are some things that you all are implementing as far as Rehab2Perform? And then also, when it comes to, you know, I'm a nerd in the business aspect as well, what are some business strategies that you all are implementing, as well, in order to help me out, don't give me all your secrets though?

 

Funk: I think and that's a two part question. One, I could probably talk for hours on each one.

 

Jones: Yeah, please.

 

Funk: No, I mean, I just think from a service deliverable standpoint, we are doing a really good job of communicating what exactly our focus is. Doing things to put competencies in front of people that we value, things that are either evidence backed or things that we can kind of sit back and say, “Hey, this makes sense as a prerequisite of the next progression.” And then talking about things like capacity. There's a lot of demographic base norms. There's a lot of normative data out there. So, we're trying to do a better job of just seeing what else is out there and benchmarking people, understanding that if we create a situation where we have a better baseline, you know, injuries will happen. But I'm probably less likely to experience them if I have a really, really high baseline. I probably have a really, really good buffer for some of those injuries. And when injuries do happen, I'm probably more likely to get to a position where I'm back to the activities that I enjoy doing quicker than somebody that doesn't have that higher level baseline. So, focusing on the performance, right, human performance is the focus. And it's one thing to say that but it's another thing to make sure that messaging is consistent, both from their first visit, through the PT, through things that we're using from an email newsletter or branding standpoint online. So, it's one of those things where sometimes we have to figure out where that client is at because they could have been exposed to a wide variety of different things before they came to our office, and then taking them on this client experience or the journey while they're receiving a service with us. I'm trying to remember what your business question was. Yeah, I don't remember quite what it was, if you don't mind asking that again?

 

Jones: No, I mean, you you pretty much answered it basically like, I'm looking for things from multiple approaches, like you said, you mentioned newsletter, just branding, marketing, just kind of having one message, one voice in order to project that on to and then also from a treatment side of things. I think that, like least from my standpoint, it looks like y'all aren't doing normal like, well, we consider rehab or PT or [unclear 9:21] when we’re really pushing the envelope. And I think that's something that people appreciate. So yeah, I mean, pretty cool.

 

Funk: Yeah, I mean, I think really to be honest, I just think we're putting physical back into physical therapy, as cliche as that is, and really giving people a much better idea of things that they are in control of. Communicating things like, hey, it's one thing that we are potentially going to use some kind of manual therapy or hey, maybe we're talking about paint science and we're utilizing other strategies to help you feel better. But at the end of the day, you moving better, and being held to some kind of objective standard is a very, very important key of us making sure that this doesn't become something that is chronic. When we talk about previous injuries still being on the leading risk factors for injury, especially something like chronic ankle sprains or ACL injuries, I think overall, that says a lot with regards to how well the service of physical therapy is being delivered. And I do think a large part of that does start with the messaging.

 

Jones: Absolutely. Do a you all see a lot of people who have had PT in the past and then they kind of want to do something different or do you all have like a 50/50 split of people that are brand new to PT and then those to kind of went tp PT somewhere else, or is it like large majority like people that have been to PT before?

 

Funk: I think it's a good mix. I mean, it really just all depends on the age of the client. People have had experience elsewhere. We tend to get a whole lot into “Hey, well, that's not the right way to do things.” We just got to focus on our internal messaging, and what goes on within our four walls. So, sometimes it does take a little bit longer to pull people in the direction that we want to pull people. And a concept that we frequently will refer, it's the bridge concept, how far apart are we? I know that this person will probably be best coming to my side of the bridge. And I've got to figure out how far that bridges and how close to their side of the bridge I need to get before I can start walking them along that path. So, that's just why the messaging is so critical to ensuring the connectivity. Otherwise, they will find a way to end up elsewhere, right? If we don't connect with them, if the messaging isn't adequate enough to meet them with regards to where they're at; they will look for another provider. And unfortunately, sometimes they'll get caught in the system.

 

Jones: Oh yeah, absolutely. Probably 80% of the people that I see currently have gone through again, what we would consider a PT rehab services between the military population, which is basically a socialized medicine system where it's completely free, but yeah, they’re going through this cascade of stuff and then it wasn't quite meeting their goals. Like almost like tell them exactly what it’s going to look like because of me growing up in the military, me seeing that, understanding the dynamic; it’s like “Okay, like here are your options. You can take the free route and this is what that will look like.” Again, not bashing, again, not saying anything bad but here are your--or like you can do this alternative that may cost you but is getting you back to your goals which is basically what you said is like bridging that gap to say, “Hey, look, this side of things care about this, but I care about this half of it.” And then it looks like for you all, returned to sports, returned to high functioning activities so you're able to not only progress in a PT sense, but be a better overall athlete, which is awesome. I think it's cool.

 

Funk: Yeah, I mean, you're educating people so that they feel more empowered to do things differently on their own. And it may seem like, not as good of a business model, but I think people really put a lot of trust in you and will continue to come to you in a situation where you've been so transformational to them and really, giving them the keys to create change on their own.

 

Jones: Yeah, and giving them the-- I've really seen a patient because she asked me, it was at a seminar and she asked me about a particular exercise, and I was like, “Well like, why are you doing that?” She said, “I don't know.” I said, “Well, try this one out.” And as soon as I said that she “Wait, I got a choice?” And I was like, “Yeah, you do have a choice. You don't have to do that particular sit up exercise or I forgot what it was, abdominal, whatever it was. I was like there's so many more in the book, look them up on YouTube, go to you know, whatever.” And she literally saw me like a month later like, “Hey, I'm seeing you basically because you gave me that choice, you gave me that option.” All right, awesome. Like, so I was like cool. So, yeah, for sure, putting it back into the to the patient’s perspective. So, cool. So, from a clinical side of things, right, whenever we talk about basically from injury, all the way up to return to sport or return the high function activities, again, don’t give me all of the sequence, but what does that look like? Say if I did come in there with an ankle sprain, say if I did come in there with shoulder pain or something like that, due to a sporting accident or due from a fall at work; what does that process look like and then what are some steps that you all run like run them through, some of that objective data that you talk about? And then like lastly, at the end, what does that “rehab” quote-unquote, look like?

 

Funk: To put it short, I think a lot of it is going to be dependent on determining what you value first. What you value will typically give you an idea of things that you're looking at early in the rehabilitation process. It'll also give them an idea in terms of where you want to take that individual. What you value should also be somewhat dependent on feedback you get from that person, their previous experiences, what they think their limiting factors may or may not have been. A mix of that will give you the starting point, which can be some mix of limitations that that individual might have, some inabilities, some significant differences between sides, but usually a collection of items. And I will typically parallel it with a school curriculum, where you're trying to figure out areas in which the individual is not meeting certain benchmarks. And if they're not meeting certain benchmarks, we want to do everything we can to acquire some of those benchmarks, knowing that usually they are going to be prerequisites for higher level activity. That could be a wide variety of different things. But I can say throughout the process, using things to look at individuals competency, and then eventually, their capacity for certain activities or movements. It will include things that sometimes is just themselves, sometimes there might may or may not be external load, some things are timed, some things involved certain distances. But overall, making sure that we are holding that individual to some objective standards. We’ll also take into account subjective reporting that they have to summarize that and really the level of competence that they have to return to whatever activity that they enjoy doing. So, once again, starting out with what you value and taking into account some of what that person's experiences or what they think, will give you a really, really good idea in terms of where you need to start. And then going from there and making sure that you're acquiring some of those things that you value along the way as you work towards your end goal. I don't know if that’s too general, if you want me to get more specific with anything, I certainly could do that as well.

 

Jones: No, no, no. I mean, that's pretty much the gist like you said, basically meeting the patient whether like basically where they're at, and then ultimately where they want to go. I think that's huge when it comes to rehab not basically based off of “Hey, this is what I think that your goal should be, but actually making it true and attainable goals.” And then I would like to do too, which it sounds like you all do as well is reminded him of those goals constantly, especially when they want to reschedule a visit or “Hey, look, I didn't do my homework.” You know, put the [unclear 17:59] sense of control back on them say, “Hey, look, this is what you agreed upon when we start seeing each other and then these are your goals. So, let's go ahead and continue to rock and roll with those.” So, definitely always bring them back to what their goals are and try to push them as far as they can towards those goals. So, that's awesome for sure.

 

Funk: Yeah, and I think from just talking, speak to a simple situation, right? We have ACL injury, right, for two different people. You could have a 40 something weekend warrior, and you could have a division one college football player. They are going to have different prerequisites that they brought to the table. They are going to have entirely different experiences, most likely. They are going to have a very, very different set of things that they want to get to at the end. And they probably will acquire some of those benchmarks very, very differently. But in the end, ideally, there is still a systematic way of viewing how that person should move, the prerequisites for those movements and ideally, some level of end game with regards to things that you would expect or anticipate them to do so that where you're working towards and at what point you may be done with working with that individual.

 

Jones: Yeah, absolutely. Like not just saying, “Hey, okay, I think that we're done now.” And these, like you said, you had this college football player, and like they have even lined up in this three point stance or whatever their position is like, “Wait a minute, we're not done yet. We have to continue to get you prepared for that.” So, I think that's pretty cool and again, it's really based off of who the person is in front of you and then matching your rehab to that person. So, I think that that's definitely commendable. Sure, so yeah, so let's go ahead and let's shift gears a little bit. Everyone that I bring on to the show, I have to talk about sports for some reason. I just absolutely love that topic. So, who are your sporting teams and then what do you think they're going to do this season? Football, NFL, college, whatever.

 

Funk: Sports teams are typically very challenging for me. A Washington fan other than hockey, we really don't have a whole lot of success or a track record of success. Obviously, the Caps won last year, they're doing pretty well this year, but the Redskins, typical underachieving [unclear 20:33] team, national as well especially now that Bryce Harper has left. So yeah, I mean, that's definitely a little more challenging. The Wizards have had their struggles over the years. So, I think, for me, I tend to gravitate a little bit more towards just focusing on players and focusing on storylines. And admittedly, with brothers that are playing college football, I probably have a little bit more emotional attachment to where they are currently playing. So, I don't get into following anything other than them with the whole lot of regularity if I’m being honest.

 

Jones: Yeah. No, look, I feel you on that one and I didn't have any siblings that went to college and stuff for that. But having multiple friends that did it and I would just walk straight games, follow them or tweet them, messaged them like “Hey, good job man” and then that really became my side until everyone kind of graduated out and I was able to shift back to my regular teams and you're right about the Washington teams. As a fellow Cowboys fan, there's nothing I enjoy more than see the Washington fans suffered.

 

Funk: That’s all right man. Hey, the feeling is mutual. I know that the Cowboys, at least the Redskins, I could say we don't go into seasons with any kind of expectations. But the Cowboys traditionally, just underachieving. But yeah, that's neither here nor there.

 

Jones: Well you know what the expectation of every year the fans, we all think we're going to win the Superbowl. Like you all like you said you go in there and like this is gonna be an eighth season - gonna be a 10 and 12 or 10 and 6 or we can make the playoffs and get bounced out like or win the Superbowl. We’re always thinking boom or bust. There's never a down year for us. We're never going in to it thinking, “Okay, we're going to tank this year's so that we can get a good quarterback or something” we just always try to go for it all. So, it definitely keeps it interesting.

 

Funk: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, I think that each of us have some interesting storylines surrounding our own. And that can sometimes take away from what's actually going on with the team and, and with the locker room. But yeah, I mean, like I said I've one brother playing football at West Point, and I have another brother playing football, at Maryland so that that'll be where my time and attention is, at least until they're all done.

 

Jones: Hey man, there's nothing wrong with that. I love college football. So hey, kudos to you. Cool. So, we talked about a team, right, I think that you have one of the best teams out there for sure, as far as when it comes to the rehab side of things or sports performance, like high functioning type of thing. So, let's talk about your team a little bit. And we don't have to necessarily go all the way through it. But as someone like myself, who's trying to build a really strong team, what are some components that you looked at and then what are some of the specialties that you all have? And then how do you all kind of bounce ideas off each other, just how do you all create this overall good functioning team when it comes to the Rehab2Perform?

 

Funk: Yeah, man, I think first and foremost, we're a big believer that we want a team where you have people that share a lot of the intangible qualities that you value. So, we can have somebody who is an amazing human being and we can teach them, whatever we need to teach them with regards to helping other people along the way. But appreciating the fact that good human beings are going to develop connectivity with people better than people who say are really, really good clinically and struggle with regards to communication skills, situational flexibility, empathy; all of these things that matter when you talk about developing relationships with people. So, I'd say first and foremost, making sure that, that person has same core values and values the same thing and everybody else on the team does is just paramount. Outside of that, involving people who are already on your team, in the interview process, whether or not it's a phone interview, whether or not it is an in person interview, whether or not there's some kind of shadowing, but making sure that everybody on your team especially when you have multiple locations, has touch points with that potential new team member; I think it's very, very important. Because at the end of the day, they have to work elbow to elbow with the new member of the team. And if they're not comfortable with it or there's some kind of bad vibe, we have to make sure that we listened to that. Outside of that, when you talk about working with your current team and making sure that they're synergy and cohesiveness, everything from internal, we use Slack to weekly [unclear 25:33] to overall just everything from internal program to making sure that there's touch points with front desk staff and - administrative staff with the clinical team. I think all of those can be very, very important. And I also would greatly be at fault if I didn't mention that the hiring of your behind the scenes people is equally, if not more important than hiring of your clinical team. It could be an amazing thing to have these great clinical people, but if you don't not provide the support, and the behind the scenes people to allow them to work very, very easily, and to do what they love, they probably will find a way to go somewhere else. So, it is very, very important that you have people behind the scenes that are rock solid and can do everything that you need them to do to support the service that you're trying to offer.

 

Jones: Absolutely. Yeah, I think the first person that idea kind of brain going was administrative staff like you mentioned, just someone that just kind of be my eyes and ears whenever I'm not there from a non-clinical standpoint. I forgot who [unclear 26:52] about a year ago. I think it was one of the big PT people that give courses on PT and we talked about like you said, like hiring that person to come on and be a part of that staff that's not clinical base and treating them as well, if not better as a staff that is on there doing the clinical side of things. So, I mean, that's huge man, it was huge for me too in order to do that. Because ideally, those are the people that's calling the patients and then doing all this stuff so that's huge when it comes to all that.

 

Funk: They really make or break you. And I think recognizing just our growth over the past about, was at 15 months now, adding a second location, having people who have a great capacity, they have the ability to stretch. I mentioned situational flexibility earlier, that's extremely important. Having people who also recognizing the responsibility that they have, aren't hesitant to offer up suggestions and to help problem solve. We have really, really overhauled things behind the scenes and it would not be without having some tremendous people who many of your listeners may never hear their name, but if we keep moving forward as a company, it'll be largely because of the efforts that they've had to allow our clinical team to work in a more efficient and effective manner.

 

Jones: Yeah, absolutely. Again, like hiring that front staff is huge, taking people that you can trust. And like you mentioned somebody, not taking the best person that has like all these different qualifications, but like you said a really great human being and then saying, “Hey, look, after that I can teach you whatever we need to teach you.” But not looking at them like “Hey, you got to have 30 years of experience, you had to have worked with Aetna, Tricare and Blue Cross, Blue Shield, but just taking a really good person and then molding them into the person that you want them to be as far as when it comes to just getting the job done. So that's huge, man. I mean, and I've heard that across the board when it comes to all this different like hiring on and bringing on people. Next - the clinician staff for me, but I'll hold off on that for a little bit. Kudos to you for having all these different personalities around you.

 

Funk: Yeah, no, it's good. We got a good group of people, I walk into work every day and I feel pretty blessed.

 

Jones: For sure. Yeah. So, what's the future? Obviously, you all are opening a third location, like you said, what's the future when it comes to Rehab2Perform? Are you all going to continue to go this route of highly functional individuals and really getting them going? Or are you all looking at doing multiple different things? What's the future, what's on your mind, and as far as not only that, but what's sort of future when it comes to just the overall like, healthcare? I know I'm asking a huge question, what’s the future when it comes to this health care in general? I see so much stuff between like, heart rate variability and like, obviously strength training combined with rehab stuff and all these different ways. So, what do you see right now on the and at the grassroot level that you're like, this is coming up people need to watch this?

 

Funk: Yeah, I mean, I think for us, and not to correct you here, I’m little excited, but we will have two more locations this year. We'll have one kind of right around Memorial Day weekend and then we will have one at the end of the year this year. So I am very, very excited about that.

 

Jones: Are you now? No, I’m kidding.

 

Funk: Yeah, man, I mean we will always entertain looking at other resumes. Very, very fortunate as I mentioned, once again, we've got some really, really impressive resumes already in hand. So, oftentimes, when we need it, we're able to reach out to people who we've kind of developed a relationship with and say, “Hey, we'd love to have you interviewed.” But outside of our physical therapy service, I think finding ways to continue adding value beyond discharge, I think that's the biggest thing. Whether or not that is something such as an app or things like TeleHealth or having people have certain utilizations of your facility, depending on what it looks like. I think that there are other things that we are going to find ourselves getting into outside of physical therapy, but still within the healthcare scope. But it's something I just think our can be greater than just PT as a company. It's not to take anything away from PT, but I want to make sure that we're providing potentially, more comprehensive services for people. I just think that there's a lot of potential out there. I mentioned, we do have a great group, we have a great team here. And outside of what we're doing right now, we're definitely just looking to increase our impact. One thing I can say is this will be our third straight, should say season of doing a seminar. We did a seminar the last half of the year in 2018,we had one in the early half of the year in 2018, we have one coming up here in May. So, I think expanding our seminar, the reach of our seminar, ideally getting some of these return to play or return to sport principles out into the masses a little bit more is something that we want to make sure that we're doing. This spring is going to be more upper extremity focused, which can be a little bit challenging due to lack of research. But we're at least willing to start the conversation, pull some parallels from some of the lower extremity benchmarks that we already have currently in place. And in addition to that, we're going to have a part on tactical athletes. We've worked with a lot of firefighters and police officers and recognize that that's a big part of the population. It's very, very important to be able to return them back to the activities that they're doing and we're also fortunate that there is a lot of research for that as well. So, that that'll be for our spring seminar and then we'll kind of see where things go from there. We have some ideas, but obviously, you never want to share too much, right?

 

Jones: Yeah, no. Yeah, definitely keep it a secret man. Like I said, give me just a little bit on the podcast so the listeners can stay engaged and then obviously, you keep the rest to yourself.

 

Funk: Absolutely. I mean, you don't want to get ahead of yourself either.

 

Jones: Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, take it one season at a time. I got some ideas coming up in-- and by the end of the year, you're like, “Oh, man, - like big things is going on. But it’s like I gotta hold it back, I gotta hold it back.” So no, I totally understand and yeah, definitely getting a lot of inquiries about “Well, hey, what's next? What's next?” It’s like, “Oh, hold on real quick, we’ll figure that out when we get there and have some things just brewing in the back of your mind.” So I mean, that's always good, man and again like your team is awesome. I have no doubt that you are going to deliver some high quality content so that's pretty cool. [unclear 34:09 way up there eventually.

 

Funk: Yeah. That's good man. We'd love to have you out to the seminar. I think it's sometimes it goes with what you are asking about earlier. I mean, earlier we talked about principles, systematic ways of progressing people, benchmarks, all of these things that need to become a little bit more regular in the PT world. And that's something we're diving into and feeling pretty comfortable having that conversation at this point.

 

Jones: Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. So cool. All right, so we'll go ahead and wrap it up. I know that we said we were gonna chat for about an hour or wherever the case may be, but man, I think we hit all the points and I won’t take up any more of your time thank what I have to. So, I definitely appreciate that. So, tell people where to find you at. Obviously, it’s pretty, pretty obvious by now, but yeah, tell where to find you and then, yeah.

 

Funk: Yeah, I mean for us company website, Rehab2Perform on, all social media platforms under Rehab2Perform as well and that's rehab, the number two, perform. Outside of that, either on Facebook, pretty active there. That's where a decent amount of our client population is and getting more and more active on Instagram under Dr. Josh Funk. If you’re a LinkedIn person, feel free to connect with me there as well.

 

Jones: Yeah. Sorry about that like if any of that got cut off, people will decide to comment on my podcast. Oh, come on, y'all. But yeah, for sure, I’ll definitely put all that in the show notes so if you all want to definitely reach out to him and find a little bit more about Rehab2Perform, definitely, I’ll have all that in the show notes for you all and definitely, reach out to Josh anytime, man. He's a pretty cool person to chat with. And then obviously, he has the best last name in PT right now until somebody else take it.

 

Funk: Yeah, appreciate it, man. Thank you.

 

Jones: Cool, man. So hey, thank you again for coming on to the episode man, I appreciate it. Man, you definitely rocked it out.

 

Funk: I appreciate you, man. Thanks for taking the time to reach out to me and include me.

 

Jones: For sure. All right, man.

 

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